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Can Personal Problems be Solved and Fragmentation End? - Dialogue 15 with Prof David Bohm [1980 - Ending of Time series - audio]



 
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73 mins. - Ending of Time - Talk 15 -  Can Personal Problems be Solved and Fragmentation End?

Fifteen talks between Krishnamurti and David Bohm. Bohm's scientific and philosophical views seemed inseparable. In 1959, his wife Saral recommended to him a book she had seen in the library by the world-renowned speaker on life subjects, Jiddu Krishnamurti. Bohm found himself impressed by the way his own ideas on quantum mechanics meshed with the seemingly-philosophical ideas of Krishnamurti. Bohm's approach to philosophy and physics receive expression in his 1980 book Wholeness and the Implicate Order, and in his 1987 book Science, Order and Creativity. Bohm and Krishnamurti went on to become close friends for over 25 years, with a deep mutual interest in philosophical subjects and the state of humanity.

These discussions between a great religious teacher and a leading physicist ask the question: Has humanity taken a wrong turn which has brought about endless division, conflict and destruction? Krishnamurti suggests that the wrong turn lies in our inability to face what we actually are and our need to impose instead an illusory goal of what we must become. The heart of the discussions therefore rests in our ideas about ourselves, about the 'me'. Krishnamurti sees the nature of man's thought self-centered, confused and ultimately destructive, and maintains that the only way to free ourselves is through insight that goes beyond normal perceptions. The insight is achieved only by a mind that is silent, empty of thought and capable of moment-by-moment awareness.

Crisis in Ourselves Talk 02 What Is the Place of Knowledge in Our Lives?

Instead of trying to change society is it possible to transform our conditioning deeply and understand our consciousness, what we are? Why has knowledge not protected us from sorrow?

Isn't the approach as important as the problem? If I approach with fear isn't the solution conditioned and so the problem is not resolved?

What place has knowledge in the mutation or in the ending of conditioning?

Can the content of consciousness end?

Have we been educated to think that we are separate individuals? Do we create the world and get trapped by it?

When you discover something for yourself psychologically you have immense energy.

CONFLICT, KNOWLEDGE, & RELATIONSHIP Approaching a problem DURATION 72:00 minutes AVAILABLE AS Video cassette Audio cassette 2nd Public Talk, Ojai, 2nd May, 1982

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